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 Bourne Acres
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It's not that hard and it can be bred for!

BUT! It's not an exact science! You will have to try them out.

Young horses under age 2 do not do well.

Horses "learn" from being shown. They should improve over time.

Riders "learn" over time and accumulate "skill" points. (Check the "My Account" link at the top left, in the dark box under your name.) WP and EP share a 100 point total. If you do one or the other you can get up to 100 points. If you try to do both equally, you will max out at 50 points for each. (This should not be this way I think but that's how it was done - to avoid one stable dominating both fields I think, but that's another discussion.)

EP and WP need pretty much the same things except that temperament should be higher for EP and lower for WP - mid-point is between 50 and 60.

Standard Deviation should be as low as possible (there is a website that was posted somewhere where you can get that number). StdDev for "In Show" wins should be 5 or 6 ideally but not necessarily. (StdDev is a statistical measure of variation in a set of numbers - how uniform they are.)

OAT and/or Halter Score also seems to play a role in EP/WP - you want those to be high!

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Wins for 1st to 3rd in show are coming in at several hundred bucks.

Example 1:
9/19/2018 admin EP Show Premium
September 2018 Oklahoma Horse Show
Painters Master Of Ceremony
1st in Show 670.00

Example 2:
9/19/2018 admin EP Show Premium
September 2018 Oklahoma Horse Show
Bourne Zodiac (Zdac)
2nd in Show 418.00

9th in Show was $83.00 - Bourne Island Pride
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Painters Master Of Ceremony
[754.81 1653+44 [08.32 65]14h3 62-38-60 ]

Bourne Zodiac (Zdac)
[699.61 1602+0 [06.13 66]15h1 43-48-48]

The numbers mean:
HalterScore (Adjusted OAT+Difference)[StdDev Temp] Size StockTraits.
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Note: To get the Adjusted OAT
* For traits over 100, subtract 100 from the actual trait value, double that number and subtract it from the actual trait value.
* Add up the first 18 traits (do NOT include temperament or the stock traits) applying the above calculation to any that are over 100.

Example: Master Of Ceremony [754.81 1653+44 [08.32 65]14h3 62-38-60 ]
* Add: 92 + 90 + (101-2=99) + (107-14=93) + 99 + 98 and so on = 1653
(101 - 100 = 1, 1 times 2 = 2, 101 - 2 = 99)
(107 - 100 = 7, 7 times 2 = 14, 107 -14 = 93)
* The total "adjustments" equal 44 for all 18 traits.
* If you add the 44 to the 1653, you will get the "raw" OAT, without the adjustment (1697).

The "Adjusted" Traits are also used for the Halter Score calculation.
* Add the first 6 adjusted traits (=571) and then the next 6 (=557).
* Multiply the 557 by .33 (=183.81).
* Halter Score = 557 + 183.81 = 754.81
The rest of the traits are not used in the HalterScore. although that does not necessarily mean they do not impact Halter results - their impact has not been thoughly studied.

Link to posting regarding Standard Deviation:
www.showhorse.com/forum/read.aspx?id=19069

I hope this helps everyone understand what's happening in these two events.



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 GaylanStudio
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Just to clarify the point about temperament:
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"EP and WP need pretty much the same things except that temperament should be higher for EP and lower for WP - mid-point is between 50 and 60."
English Pleasure temperament should be 60 and over - not sure there is a maximum or an ideal. Horses with lower temperament do not generally do as well in EP.

WP temperament probably should be less than 60, again no maximum, minimum or ideal that have really been identified.

Plus these are generalizations - 55 to 65 may do ok in either but success may depend on the other factors - and of course on the competition.


This is the link to the discussion about standard deviation which includes the link to a website with the calculator:
www.showhorse.com/forum/read.aspx?id=19069


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Last edited by GaylanStudio on 11/17/2018 7:02:32 PM
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